Information Wanted

Following are requests for information about F-84 subjects submitted by visitors to this site. If you have any information relating to these requests, please respond to the email or address listed and also by email to this site.


John A. Benjamin -- F-84B Restoration

I'm a volunteer for the Air Museum, Chino, California. I was involved in the N9M6 Flying Wing restoration, and we are presently putting our P-59 back into flight status with the original engines. We are in the thinking stages right now of restoring our F-84B back to flight status. Wanted to find out if there good J-35 cores and an exhaust tube available. Our F84B has all the parts; we only need an engine and exhaust tube. Yes, it was underpowered and we are thinking of another engine. Please call or email.

John A. Benjamin.

Office/Voice Mail: 310-478-3250 -- FAX: 310-473-1424


Batur Avgan -- F-84G Wreck

An F-84G wreckage was found offshore a Turkish island at northern Aegean sea. I got its nameplate and its seral number is given as 4113 only, which is quite odd! The Cotr. No. is AF33 600-6580. I have checked my Turkish AF F-84 databases and no a/c having 4113 in its serial was found. Any help is really appreciated.

Batur Avgan.


Richard Stark -- K-2 Contacts

I enjoyed the photos of F-84 service life at K-2 during the 1952 era because I was part of the "action". The photo of hanger damage at Itazukie was interesting . I was supposed to be on that flight also, but a Sgt. Richard Manley went in my place. As far as I know he survived the crash but was burned quite badly and sent back to the States. I went over to K-2 with the 182nd Squadron (136th Wing) and stayed until rotation in June of 1952.
I would welcome your putting my interest in K-2 Air Base on the "info wanted" page in hopes that I may be contacted by others who were there during 1951-52.

Regards, Richard Stark.


Maj. Lawrence L. Erickson -- Photos of FB Squadrons at K-2

I am trying to obtain a photo of some of the FB Sqdns that were based at K-2 in the Fall of '52. My Step-father, C. Don Carpenter, from Oklahoma, was assigned there as a mechanic. I am trying to have a good wooden model made in the Phillipines. He said there were several different Sqdns there at that time and can't really remember what his looked like. He believes the planes had blue and white diagonal stripes on the vertical stabilizer and wing tanks. He thought they were located at the very "west" end of the base. My map shows the runways runs a basic NW/SE direction.
I am currently assigned to Korea. I would appreciate any help I can get.

Thanks, Major Larry Erickson.


Mark Tennison -- 1950's vintage solid metal model of a Republic F-84 Thunderjet

I'm a collector of 40's and 50's vintage metal aircraft desk models. I recently purchased an F-84 (looks like a C or D model) off of Ebay. The auction had this description:
50's Vintage F-84 THUNDERJET Metal Airplane.
"Rare, 1950's vintage solid metal model of a Republic F-84 Thunderjet in the markings of the Republic of of China Air Force (Formosa, Taiwan). This heavy aluminum (I believe, with a bronze finish) replica is 8" long with a 9" wingspan. The Thunder-Jet was the last U.S. Air Force fighter jet to be built with a straight wing. They served in Korea (with the USAF as well as the ROCAF Nationalist Chinese) along side the F-86 Sabre and in the states with the Air National Guard in addtion to the air arms of several foreign countries. The Thunderjet was also tested for use as a "parasite" fighter, carried aloft (partially) in the modified bombay of the USAF/SAC Convair B-36 Peacemaker bomber. The F-84 was later heavily modified (F-84F version and on) into a swept wing aircraft and was the departure point for the famous Republic F-105 Thunderchief fighter-bomber that was flown in Vietnam. This "Cold War" era aircraft has painted on markings and is true to scale. Details include a hollowed out nose and exhaust as well as scribed panel lines. The bottom is drilled and tapped to accept a stand (not incuded). Under the wings, the previous owner had hand scratched "To Woody Pappy Hodges". Who knows...with a little time, an internet search may reveal that this was a pilot's model."
It could also be interpreted as "To Woody. [From] Pappy Hodges". The model appears to be around 50 years old. The markings are spray painted on with what appears to be a hand-cut stencil.
I looked through your site (which is great by the way), but couldn't find any references that might help. Any ideas of who this may have originally belonged to?

Thanks, Mark Tennison.


Thomas Goetz -- YP-84A 45-59482 with NACA Intake Ducts

I recently completed my doctoral dissertation on early US jet fighters, including the F-84. I have a question that I am hoping the contributors to this site may be able to help me answer.
Along with my document research (mostly case histories) on the various aircraft I wrote about, I also researched photos from the National Archives, and included a number of them in my dissertation. I did find some photos I was unable to include in my defended version of the manuscript, as I was unable to discover any additional information about them.
While conducting this new photo research, I came across a couple of photos of an F-84 that were extremely intriguing. These two photos, one from a 3/4 view front shot, and another from head-on, show an early model F-84 with the nose intake faired over with a roundly pointed cap, and the same kind of NACA flush side air ducts as were fitted to the North American F-93 prototype. Based on other photos with similar backgrounds, I believe these pictures to have been taken at Republic's plant.
There is no evidence of wingtip tank shackles in these photos, which means that this was a very early version of the aircraft. The serial number cannot be seen completely, but what I can make out leads me to believe that this plane was one of the 15 YP-84 pre production prototype machines. (Webmaster's Note: I was able to use PhotoShop to determine the photos are of YP-84A s/n 45-59482, which is the first of 15 YP-84A Thunderjets produced.) I have been unable to find any evidence about this conversion at all, either in my available archival records, or in published books on the aircraft. I was wondering if anyone might have more information on this particular aircraft.
Obviously an experimental prototype, was this machine ever flown? Did it serve as the basis for the later tests of the swept wing models of the [R]F-84, with their solid noses and side air ducts? Did this machine end up with NACA for testing? What was the ultimate fate of this machine?
My dissertation is under consideration for publication, and I will be revising it with that end in mind. So any information on this aircraft would be extremely helpful.

Thanks in advance, Thomas J. Goetz.


Marco Dijkshoorn -- F-84 Serial Numbers Info Needed

I am compiling an overview of all F-84s (all derivates) that flew with non-US countries. I do this for Scramble magazine in the Netherlands (please take a look at our website at http://www.scramble.nl - all in English by the way). I am still searching for serial number information on F-84s that were delivered to the Yugoslav Air Force, Republic of China Air Force and the Iranian Air Force.
What I am looking for is the USAF/DoD batches that were delivered to the above airforces and the corresponding serial number they received in foreign service.

Best regards, Marco Dijkshoorn.


Becky Robinson Miller -- F-84G Ejection Seat

I received an email from David McLaren suggesting that I write to you concerning details of the F-84G that was equipped for the first thermonuclear test in the Marshall Islands. My question is: What kind of ejection seat was used in the F-84G? I have detailed lists of equipment from my Father's accident report. He was a cloud sampler. His name was: Capt. Jimmy P. Robinson. He went down in the lagoon at Enewetok Nov. 1, 1952. It was Operation Ivy, Mike Shot. I know that he was wearing a lead helmet and apron to protect him from the radiation. If he ejected, would he have been able to release himself from the seat?

Thank you, Becky Robinson Miller.


Helm° Larsen -- F-84G Thunderjets in Royal Danish Air Force Service

I have been studying the history of Royal Danish Air Force aircraft for the past 30 years, but am new on the internet. I found your site, and do have some questions about Danish F-84G Thunderjet aircraft, which were received "as used aircraft" from USAF in 1955/6. Do you have any information (USAF service) on the following 23 aircraft:
51-1044, 51-1048, 51-1058, 51-1064, 51-1101, 51-1114,
51-1187, 51-1197, 51-1217, 51-10310, 51-10330, 51-10362,
51-10407, 51-10410, 51-10415, 51-10425, 51-10537, 51-10660,
51-10769, 51-11167, 51-11224, 51-16665, 51-16678.
Do you have fate on RDAF 51-10627, which was returned to USAF in France in 1957?

Regards, Niels Helm° Larsen.


Brad Rutherford -- Turner AFB

I have been doing some research on Turner Air force Base which was located in my home town of Albany, Georgia. I know that F-84s were based there in the '50s up until 1958 when the the B-52Ds arrived. There were F-84Gs and F-84Fs based there until they were replaced by F-100 Super Sabres. I was wondering if you know of any one based there during that time or about the F-84 units based there? I already have some info on this subject but I hope you may have something different or interesting. If you do I would appreciate it. The Air Force left here in 1966 and the Navy moved in 1967 and flew RA-5C Vigilantes out of here until 1973. The base finally closed down in 1973 and in 1980 Miller Brewing moved in and built a plant right in the middle of the runway. Miller does have a web site on the hisory of the base and does cover some info on the F-84s based here. The address is http://www.turnerfield-miller.com/. I also build plastic models and I do have the 1/48 scale Tamyia kit of the F-84 which has the markings of one of the units based here and I also have a 1/72 scale of a F-84.

I hope to hear from you soon, Brad Rutherford.


John Webster -- F-84G Nuclear Weapon Pylon Details

I'm trying to establish the modification details to make an F-84G capable of carrying the Mk-7 nuclear weapon. I know the left inboard pylon was special and that a LABS computer was added as well as a T-40 In-Flight Insertion Control box.. I believe there were some wiring changes relative to the B-8 grip pickle button. If anyone can elaborate on these mods. I would appreciate some help.

Thanks for your web page, John Webster.
[email protected]


Steven Dennis -- F-84F Civil Registration N84JW

I am wondering if anyone can help me with a little info? Does anyone know the name and possibly contact info of the person (or people) who owned and operated a Republic F-84F Thunderstreak (N84JW) in possibly the early eighties. It was painted in USAF Thunderbird colors. It has been said that the USAF "repossessed" this aircraft after the owners restored it into a flyable aircraft. They (the USAF) repainted it in 407th Strategic Fighter Wing markings and "stuck" it on a pole at Malmstrom AFB. I remember author Martin Caidin talking about it performing at one of the Valiant Air Command airshows in Tico, Florida, I believe, so maybe someone from that area will recall it. Unfortunately I do not know what it's military I.D. was. Incidently the N84JW registration has since been reused on a homebuilt experimental according to FAA records. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance for your help, Steven M. Dennis.

Phone: 1-715-234-7613 Eves. -- 1-715-458-4400 Days.


Jose Correia -- Portuguise Dragoes aerobatic team

I am currently preparing an article for the Portuguise AF magazine MAIS ALTO on the "SAO JORGE" aerobatic team that followed the "Dragons" team in 1958-59. I need a colour pic of the DRAGOES at Bierset air show (late June 1958) or Soesterberg July 58 NATO aerobatic show. Maybe one of the Belgian or Dutch contributors may help: our F-84G were parked right next to the Belgian F-84F at Bierset and were reviewed by King Baudouin of Belgium. The article on SAO JORGE will be published in the May/June issue of MAIS ALTO.

Regards, Jose Correia.


John Murdoch -- Capt. William S. Murdoch

I'd very much like to hear from anyone with information about an RF-84F accident on July 20, 1958. The aircraft was assigned to the USAF 303rd Tactical Reconnaissance Squadron, which was based at Sembach, West Germany (it was previously based at Kaiserslautern, West Germany). The pilot, Capt. William S. Murdoch, was my father.

Thanks, John Murdoch.


Richard Jorgensen -- Col. Mike Horgan

I'm in the process of writing the biography of my brother in law, Col. Mike Horgan, for his children and grandchildren. He is now retired, in good health, and living in Florida. He was stationed at Wethersfield from l959 to l963. I'm looking for anyone who might have known Mike during that time and if you have an information, personal or military, that could be a part of his story.

Thanks, Dick Jorgensen.


Alex Rodriguez -- 401 FBW 612, 613, 614 FBS

I am currently helping put together a book on the history of the 401st Tactical Fighter Wing and we are very much in need of pictures of 401st Fighter Bomber Wing F-84Fs from the 612, 613, 614 FBS, in the years 1955-1956. The wing was based at Alexandria AFB, Louisana, later renamed England AFB. Wing F-84Fs, painted as Korean MiGs, also took part in the making of the film The McConnell Story.

Thanks, Alex Rodriguez.


JoŃo M. Vidal -- Portuguese Air Force Drag§es

I am helping to prepare an article for the Portuguese Air Force magazine "Mais Alto" regarding the PoAF F-84G aerobatic team "Drag§es". They participated in the NATO aerobatic team display in LiÚge, Belgium 1958, getting the 2nd place (1st place for the Frecce Tricolori). I wonder if you could help me to find pictures of the event and especially of the PoAF F-84G at LiÚge.
I'm also trying to identify the F-84Gs from the 79th Fighter Bomber Squadron/20th Fighter Bomber Wing which were transferred to the Portuguese AirForce.
Please forward this message to anybody you think that may help me.

JoŃo M. Vidal.


William Dahlgren -- XF-84H

I'm interested in the XF-84H as a (flying) model project and have been trying to track down (particularly) [three] details. First, a small point -- do I presume correctly that the forward section of the "spinner" is fixed? Second, the biggie, the powerplant. Every reference I have says Allison T-40, which I do not believe. My guess is Allison T-38 or something else. Also, some articles refer to an afterburner. On a turboprop this seems unlikely but photos suggest a variable outlet tailpipe which seems equally unreasonable -- maybe they DID try an afterburner. Finally, a tiny question about that "torque fin/vortex generator." Judging from its location in reference to other F-84 models and its dark color I'd guess it to be an antenna of some sort.

Comments about the Questions
My thoughts on the "fixed" spinner and doubts about the T-40 derive from the Douglas Skyshark and the two Pogo projects. On all three aircraft the forward part of the "spinner" WAS fixed. On the XFV-1 and the 'Shark the "spinner" was to be the location of the gun aiming radar and the XFY-1 made its tethered flights with the tether attached where the forward "spinner" section would have been mounted. As for the engine, the T-40 was essentially two T-38s together driving a contra-rotating gearbox. Converting that to drive a single propellor and finding room for two side by side power units in the "H" fuselage seem unlikely. A single-unit T-38 seems more likely, though it'd be a lot less powerful, of course. I believe that the mixed power XF-88 test plane did use a T-38 to spin the prop so that might be a vote in its favor. True, the '88 had a standard spinner but it was strictly a propellor test-bed from the beginning. The '84H at least had pretentions of developing into an operational aircraft and would need someplace to stash the radar.
Good info on the "H" does seem hard to come by. I get the impression from the material I've accumulated that everybody has been copying other peoples' information -- all going back to an erronious original that started the chain. All these questions could be settled by a good look at the Kern County Pylon "H." I just wish it wasn't 2000 miles away!

Many Thanx, Wm Dahlgren.

ADDENDUM:
As of late 1999/early 2000, the XF-84H has been moved to Dayton, Ohio for restoration.


David McLaren -- Air Defense Command

Marty Isham and I are working on a history of the Air Defense Command. Does anyone have any knowledge of the squadrons that flew the F-84G for ADC? For example, the 86th FIS out of Youngstown, Ohio started with F-84Cs but got nineteen Gs by the end of June 1953. No photography has ever surfaced on/of them. Likewise, the 2nd FIS out of McGuire AFB, NJ and all the others.

David McLaren.


Steve Grivno -- Texas ANG

Wanted to hear from or find information about, Major Vince or Vance Armstrong and Airman Richard Prat, Pilot and Crew Chief of F-84C 47-1505 of the 136 Fighter Wing Texas Air National Guard during the Korean War and post Korean War years for a magazine article. If you know their whereabouts or are a friend or relative, or if you have any pictures of or had any contact with this aircraft, F-84C 47-1505, please contact me.

Steve Grivno.

PO Box 275, Crookston, MN 56716
Phone 218-281-4664 (W) or 1360 (H).


Erik Bosch -- Nellis 3525th Gunnery Squadron

My father flew F-84's in the Royal Netherlands Air Force in the '50's (Remember the Dutch Decal decalsheet? I have positive conformation he flew the DU-25 target tug of 312 Sqn at least two times and the PP-11 of 311 Sqn numerous times while attached to 311 Sqn in 1953). Point is, he went on a gunnery course to Nellis AFB from December 1952 to March 1953. He was attached to 3525th Gunnery Squadron as he himself described it in his log. I'd like to model one of the aircraft he flew during that time but I don't know anything about possible schemes. The aircraft flown were all -E's: FS-134, FS-145, FS-151, FS-307 and FS-392. Serials were not recorded. Maybe you can help me out?

Thanks in advance, Erik Bosch.


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